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well, if that's the case, then hamas is the government. and if hamas is the government, then this blockade, this absolute siege of gaza that has made le so miserable for 1.7 million people, that itself has to be at the root of any kind of long-term solution to making sure that israel remains safe. >> let me bring in robin wright here. robin, you hear both sides of this argument and we're hearing it a lot, obviously, in the last few days, and you find yourself nodding to both sides if you're not very careful. you just agree with almost everything you're being told. you can see both sides of the argument. but what is the way through this? is it perhaps the legitimizing of hamas? is it time to recognize hamas as a force in the area which has to be taken seriously as an elected body and that is the way through to peace? that is the way it's going to have to be? >> a lot has to happen before that. remember what happened with yassir arafat and the plo. arafat had to take profound steps in recognizing israel's right to exist and pledging not to e
well, if that's the case, then hamas is the government. and if hamas is the government, then this blockade, this absolute siege of gaza that has made le so miserable for 1.7 million people, that itself has to be at the root of any kind of long-term solution to making sure that israel remains safe. >> let me bring in robin wright here. robin, you hear both sides of this argument and we're hearing it a lot, obviously, in the last few days, and you find yourself nodding to both sides if...
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you can reach agreements with established governments. you can't reach agreements with gangs. >> but, anne marie, hoping that hamas goes away or is somehow weakeneds, that realistic? >> no, i don't think that the united states is not going to recognize hamas tomorrow, and obviously congress does prevent the administration from dealing directly with hamas, but, again, you know, actually, i don't see the people of gaza blaming hamas for their troubles. i see them blaming israel. i see hamas strengthen strengthened, and in the end, you have to include gaza have both parts of the palestinians, that's exactly what qatar and egypt have been trying to do, bring hamas and fatah closer together. i think through egypt, they have to be represented. >> when you talk to people here in gaza about hamas, what do they say publicly, may be different than what they say privately. i appreciate you being on tonight. our coverage from gaza city continues. [ male announcer ] with over 50 delicious choices of green giant vegetables it's easy to eat like a giant
you can reach agreements with established governments. you can't reach agreements with gangs. >> but, anne marie, hoping that hamas goes away or is somehow weakeneds, that realistic? >> no, i don't think that the united states is not going to recognize hamas tomorrow, and obviously congress does prevent the administration from dealing directly with hamas, but, again, you know, actually, i don't see the people of gaza blaming hamas for their troubles. i see them blaming israel. i see...
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not the egyptian government, the egyptian people would start streaming in here. the arab media that was so influential in bringing down a rack dictatorships here would go into a state of -- that would benefit hamas. so i think it really depends on how much influence hillary clinton can have over morsi and how much influence morsi can have because even though this area here is being pounded militarily and there was the heaviest air strikes tonight that we have seen thus far, hamas feels -- >> richard engel, live from gaza. thank you. thank you for staying up in the middle of the night. stay safe. >>> thinking about the leverage here that the american government has, we all judge our diplomacy of our own government based on what outcome they are able to achieve np in a case like this in particular, the thing that we can do is apply pressure, american pressure to a lever. and help that lever affect the situation on the ground. and the lever we can apply here is egypt. and boy has egypt changed a lot in the past year and knowing what that relationship is going to be
not the egyptian government, the egyptian people would start streaming in here. the arab media that was so influential in bringing down a rack dictatorships here would go into a state of -- that would benefit hamas. so i think it really depends on how much influence hillary clinton can have over morsi and how much influence morsi can have because even though this area here is being pounded militarily and there was the heaviest air strikes tonight that we have seen thus far, hamas feels --...
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not very well governed. a lot of competing local interests. interests contrary to those of the national government in some cases here. so egypt is undertaking a major role here in how they're able to succeed in that will go a long way toward deciding how much the whole process moving forward. they're to be commended for what they've done so far. >> this may be a dumb question, a naive question. but when you're in these negotiating rooms, is there -- is there yelling? are there arguments? or is it very kind of calm and rational? >> well, in my case, almost all of the discussions were with one side at a time. they wouldn't talk to each other. so while there was a little -- a few occasions of raised voices, the two did not directly come together. when we tdid have the brief meetings between prime minister netanyahu and president abbas, they were tense and direct and straightforward. i wouldn't say yelling. but they made their points very emphatically, both sides. it'll be some time, i think, before you're going to get an israeli representative in
not very well governed. a lot of competing local interests. interests contrary to those of the national government in some cases here. so egypt is undertaking a major role here in how they're able to succeed in that will go a long way toward deciding how much the whole process moving forward. they're to be commended for what they've done so far. >> this may be a dumb question, a naive question. but when you're in these negotiating rooms, is there -- is there yelling? are there arguments?...
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govern? >> it does have to prove it can govern. one of the things that is interesting you do have leaderships now that do have to pay attention to their public, their republicans have expectations and needs and hopes, and one of those is that, in fact the needs of the public will be addressed. >> rose: is it possible coming out of this is something positive in terms of future relationship between palestinians and israelis and between israelis and new arab governments? is that possible here? >> it helps the relationship -- egypt and israel. they have worked together pretty well, it also improved the relationship between netanyahu government and our own government. they have worked together pretty well over the last week as well. >> rose: do you agree with that, dennis, we are looking at where there was a fractured relationship it might be getting better? >> i do, i think one of the most significant things is that you have a very different egyptian government, and that very different egyptian g
govern? >> it does have to prove it can govern. one of the things that is interesting you do have leaderships now that do have to pay attention to their public, their republicans have expectations and needs and hopes, and one of those is that, in fact the needs of the public will be addressed. >> rose: is it possible coming out of this is something positive in terms of future relationship between palestinians and israelis and between israelis and new arab governments? is that...
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>> well, we regard hamas as the government of gaza. it's responsible for what goes on in the strip from the shooting that comes out of the strip at israeli civilians. hamas has to step up to the plate, assume that responsibility, has to be accountable. that's very important for us. the block cade is not a full blockade. >> it's a blockade from their perspective. food and medicine gets in. >> we check ships to make sure there are no iranian arms on them. that's the extent. until iran stops shipping arms to terrorists shooting at our citizens we have to take that measure to defend ourselves. >> what can you offer hamas in gaza in exchange for them stopping the rocket fire? >> first of all they have to stop the rocket fire and then i think it will be further diplomacy, further talks to iron out the details. but, you know, basically, it's hamas has to fulfill its responsibility as the governing body if you will of gaza. >> one of the things that has certainly been discussed coming out of this tragedy is that the israeli/palestinian peace t
>> well, we regard hamas as the government of gaza. it's responsible for what goes on in the strip from the shooting that comes out of the strip at israeli civilians. hamas has to step up to the plate, assume that responsibility, has to be accountable. that's very important for us. the block cade is not a full blockade. >> it's a blockade from their perspective. food and medicine gets in. >> we check ships to make sure there are no iranian arms on them. that's the extent....
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you can reach agreement with governments, established governments. you can't reach agreements with gangs. >> but anne-marie, hoping that hamas goes away or somehow weakened, is that realistic? >> no. i mean, i don't think the united states is not going to recognize hamas tomorrow and obviously congress does prevent the administration from dealing directly with hamas, but again, you know, actually, i don't see the people of gaza blaming hamas for their troubles. i see them blaming israel. i see hamas actually being strengthened and in the end, you've got to include gaza. you've got to have both parts of the palestinians. that's exactly what qatar and egypt have been trying to do is bring hamas and fatah closer together. so i think as i said, we're not going to address them directly but through egypt, i think they have to be represented. >> when you talk to people here in gaza about hamas, what they say publicly is often different than what they may say to you privately off camera. we will talk about that with ben wedeman next. also more with anne-mari
you can reach agreement with governments, established governments. you can't reach agreements with gangs. >> but anne-marie, hoping that hamas goes away or somehow weakened, is that realistic? >> no. i mean, i don't think the united states is not going to recognize hamas tomorrow and obviously congress does prevent the administration from dealing directly with hamas, but again, you know, actually, i don't see the people of gaza blaming hamas for their troubles. i see them blaming...
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this is a, at times, ruthless government. there are people who say what this agreement has created is hamasastand. it has created a small, very poor, failed state that egypt now has to take the responsibility for in the gaza strip. so this is, this is a temporary cease-fire. hamas feels that it has been legitimatized. it feels they have some, as you say, vague commitments from israel not to carry out any targeted assassinations. will this be the end of the conflict? absolutely not. when we were out in these celebrations, all the people were yelling is, death to israel, death to israel firing guns in the air. so the larger goal of bringing the people who are firing rockets and having them stand victorious in jerusalem, which is what hamas wants to do, ultimately, that objective has not gone away. >> fascinating, fascinating perspective on this. richard engel, nbc's chief foreign correspondent, live from gaza in the middle of the night, seven hours later than it is here. richard, thank you so much for your time tonight. it's gr
this is a, at times, ruthless government. there are people who say what this agreement has created is hamasastand. it has created a small, very poor, failed state that egypt now has to take the responsibility for in the gaza strip. so this is, this is a temporary cease-fire. hamas feels that it has been legitimatized. it feels they have some, as you say, vague commitments from israel not to carry out any targeted assassinations. will this be the end of the conflict? absolutely not. when we were...
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they say lower taxes, smaller government. okay, but inside of that, you still have to talk to people and i've made this point and republicans get mad at me when i say they're scared of black folks, scared to talk to them. you look at the republican debate, when the question was asked what would you do to attract latinos to the party and they all talked about building a wall. they have to actually sit down, communicate with people and say what are you concerned about. what are your concerns, what are your issues, and not just a top down philosophy. if so, they will keep losing. >> so here's what they're trying to do. 2016's already started for all intents and purposes, from the republican side. so here's republicans trying to do a little bit of what you and roland are talking about. here's three of the people who are probably be running. >> we need to stop being the dumb party. we need to offer smart, conservative, intelligent ideas and policies. that's how we win elections. >> this is not about the republican party for those
they say lower taxes, smaller government. okay, but inside of that, you still have to talk to people and i've made this point and republicans get mad at me when i say they're scared of black folks, scared to talk to them. you look at the republican debate, when the question was asked what would you do to attract latinos to the party and they all talked about building a wall. they have to actually sit down, communicate with people and say what are you concerned about. what are your concerns,...
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as far as that goes, certainly hamas, as far as israel considers hamas to be the government in gaza. they don't recognize it. but they consider it responsible every time a rocket is fired out, every time there is some sort of disturbance of the peace, so it speak. so they will be obliged to some extent to try to stop other groups like islamic jihad, like smaller organizations, from breaking the cease-fire. and hamas has gained a lot out of this war. you have to remember that back in january 2006 when hamas won the parliamentary elections, the palestinian parliamentary elections, the united states and israel immediately took steps to isolate it, politically, economically, in every possible way. now we find that hamas has now -- has hosted leaders from turkey, from egypt, qatar, foreign ministers from a variety of arab countries. it gained quite a lot in the last eight days, and some people here would say it would be foolhardy for them to lose their gains, simply because some small faction decides to launch a rocket over the border. >> and you're looking at a live picture on the right-
as far as that goes, certainly hamas, as far as israel considers hamas to be the government in gaza. they don't recognize it. but they consider it responsible every time a rocket is fired out, every time there is some sort of disturbance of the peace, so it speak. so they will be obliged to some extent to try to stop other groups like islamic jihad, like smaller organizations, from breaking the cease-fire. and hamas has gained a lot out of this war. you have to remember that back in january...
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. >> reporter: israel's government even sent out a notice urging news people to download the color red app. the army says any application that warns people of rocket strikes helps in the effort to keep citizens safe. >> the time that people have here to run shelters is between 15 and 50 seconds. any mobile device that can help it's a good solution. >> reporter: and leon says he thought up the application in his little room at his parent's home. >> translator: i'm very proud of myself. a very small thing that i did is doing a great thing for the people in the south of this country. >> reporter: he spend as lot of time updating the color red facebook page these days. he's got plenty of time. his cool is closed because of the ongoing rocket attacks. >>> behind-the-scenes of the holiday travel rush an exclusive close up look at the race to get your flight ready. or windows 8 smartphone.uy anyd through december 1st. from america's gift headquarters. walmart. >>> it is crunch time at airports across the country. cnn went behind-the-scenes for an exclusive look at what it takes to get flights
. >> reporter: israel's government even sent out a notice urging news people to download the color red app. the army says any application that warns people of rocket strikes helps in the effort to keep citizens safe. >> the time that people have here to run shelters is between 15 and 50 seconds. any mobile device that can help it's a good solution. >> reporter: and leon says he thought up the application in his little room at his parent's home. >> translator: i'm very...
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, the government of president mohammed morsi. they wouldn't be announcing it until prime minister netanyahu had signed off on this. we're also told that president obama spoke with prime minister netanyahu. now the proof will be in the pudding. we're going to see if this is going to hold. if the israelis stop their attacks on various targets in gaza and if the hamas forces and others inside gaza stop launching rockets and missiles at various in sites in israel. now we have to watch closely to see what happens. if it works it's only going to be the start of a peace process that will get palestinian, israeli negotiations on the grouped. >> i want to get the statement from the president's office here from the read-out, the phone call to the prime minister, netanyahu. this one graphic struck me here, to get your sense of what this means. he said that the president, president obama, said the united states will use the opportunity offered by a cease-fire to intensify efforts to help israel address its security needs, especially the issu
, the government of president mohammed morsi. they wouldn't be announcing it until prime minister netanyahu had signed off on this. we're also told that president obama spoke with prime minister netanyahu. now the proof will be in the pudding. we're going to see if this is going to hold. if the israelis stop their attacks on various targets in gaza and if the hamas forces and others inside gaza stop launching rockets and missiles at various in sites in israel. now we have to watch closely to...
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secondly, these new governments in the region have to learn their position as governments, as regional leaders especially for egypt, and for israel. there's a new strategic relationship as well. iran is out there, a huge priority, can they continue with the status quo with the palestinians and deal with iran and recalibrate their relationship with their new neighbors? that's a very different mix of things than anything someone like elliott abrams had to deal with. >> you know -- >> although, i'm not sure if this is in elliott abrams' defense, morsi has, whether for longer term reasons or because he's worried about payments from the u.s., but relatively careful here and it was the prime minister of turkey who was out there saying israel was, you know, engaged in terrorism in gaza. >> that's an interesting concept. i want to bring you back, we won't ask you for a full view of elliott abrams' entire career, although it's always good to question where our sources are coming from. ben smith brings up turkey and if you look relatively recently, say 2005, turkey was trying to really rebuild i
secondly, these new governments in the region have to learn their position as governments, as regional leaders especially for egypt, and for israel. there's a new strategic relationship as well. iran is out there, a huge priority, can they continue with the status quo with the palestinians and deal with iran and recalibrate their relationship with their new neighbors? that's a very different mix of things than anything someone like elliott abrams had to deal with. >> you know -- >>...
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not very well policed, not very well governed. a lot of competing local interests. the b bedouin interests. egypt is undertaking a major role here and how they are able to succeed in that will go a long way toward deciding how much the whole process moves forward. they are commended to what they've done so far. >> this may be a dumb question, a naive question. when are you in the negotiating rooms, there yelling? is there -- are there arguments, or is it very kind of calm and rational? >> well, in my case, almost all of the discussions were with one side at a time. they wouldn't talk to each other, so there were a few indications of raised voices, the two did not correctly come together. when we did have the brief meetings between prime minister netanyahu and abbas, they were straight forward. they made the points emphatically, both sides. it will be some time i think before you are going to get an israeli representative in the same room with the representative from hamas. tough enough to get him in the same room with a palestinian authority, which i said is committ
not very well policed, not very well governed. a lot of competing local interests. the b bedouin interests. egypt is undertaking a major role here and how they are able to succeed in that will go a long way toward deciding how much the whole process moves forward. they are commended to what they've done so far. >> this may be a dumb question, a naive question. when are you in the negotiating rooms, there yelling? is there -- are there arguments, or is it very kind of calm and rational?...
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hamas is the de facto government in the gaza strip. we are trying to aim at hamas, trying to get at the terrorists without hurting civilians. it's not easy. hamas not only has a military strategy of trying to kill israeli civilians but a media strategy. they want to put their terrorists behind their civil yasians so if their civilians get hurt they can make a big splash on the news about it. it's not just a military strategy, it's a media strategy. we will take whatever means are necessary and legitimate to defend our citizens, carol. >> the iron dome, israel's missile defense system is working phenomenally. many of its rockets, because of this iron dome, are not hitting their targets. could we see more attacks on the streets by terrorists, like in this bus attack? >> that's true, iron dome is an amazing success story, first anti-rocket device in history to actually work in warfare. we've taken down about 90% of the terrorist rockets that would have hit in our cities. they're going to hit outside the cities. and, yes, the terrorists wi
hamas is the de facto government in the gaza strip. we are trying to aim at hamas, trying to get at the terrorists without hurting civilians. it's not easy. hamas not only has a military strategy of trying to kill israeli civilians but a media strategy. they want to put their terrorists behind their civil yasians so if their civilians get hurt they can make a big splash on the news about it. it's not just a military strategy, it's a media strategy. we will take whatever means are necessary and...
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although we haven't heard from either of the governments, hamas, not the israeli government as to whether this will mean anything to the cease fire. but certainly people are holding their breath, hoping the cease fire still holds. carol? >> sara sidner reporting for us from jerusalem this morning. >>> back at home, many people are focused on shopping but with the threats, shoving and splurging, we think some people are taking it too far. the question is why. tually like. the lexus december to remember sales event is on. this is the pursuit of perfection. but with advair, i'm breathing better. so now i can be in the scene. advair is clinically proven to help significantly improve lung function. unlike most copd medications, advair contains both an anti-inflammatory and a long-acting bronchodilator working together to help improve your lung function all day. advair won't replace fast-acting inhalers for sudden symptoms and should not be used more than twice a day. people with copd taking advair may have a higher chance of pneumonia. advair may increase your risk of osteoporosis and some eye
although we haven't heard from either of the governments, hamas, not the israeli government as to whether this will mean anything to the cease fire. but certainly people are holding their breath, hoping the cease fire still holds. carol? >> sara sidner reporting for us from jerusalem this morning. >>> back at home, many people are focused on shopping but with the threats, shoving and splurging, we think some people are taking it too far. the question is why. tually like. the...
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this was by many measures a test for egypt, the new government, the new islamist government, the muslim brotherhood, president mohamed morsi, remember there was a lot of concern and alarm from western capitals, washington, when this government took over. a lot of questions, would they take a significantly tougher stance against israel? would they give material support to hamas? none of that happened. and it looks like they made a calculated decision, cairo did, to play the role of peacemaker in an effort to maintain their peace treaty with israel and maintain their alliances with western power and washington countries. they're going to depend on economically to recover. in the end the way things stand right now, they came out looking pretty good. but there's a long way to go in this conflict. and many will be watching to see what role they continue to play, wolf. >> earlier today, reza, i spoke with the israeli president shimon peres, he spoke highly of president morsi in that interview with me. we're going to air it in our next hour. but what's the feeling there in egypt about morsi's
this was by many measures a test for egypt, the new government, the new islamist government, the muslim brotherhood, president mohamed morsi, remember there was a lot of concern and alarm from western capitals, washington, when this government took over. a lot of questions, would they take a significantly tougher stance against israel? would they give material support to hamas? none of that happened. and it looks like they made a calculated decision, cairo did, to play the role of peacemaker in...
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i will reform government. i think it's a good idea to public commitments to america, i think it's bad for people to tell the labor unions that i'll do this when i get in, but don't tell anyone else. public information so that everyone can see if you want to raise taxes or not -- >> >> but have you thought about changing the fledge any way, ever? >> well, okay, i can't change the pledge because it's not to me. it's not like someone can say grover, i promised you this and i want to do it differently. >> it's your group though, right? you're the guy, everybody associates the pledge with you. >> that's very kind of them, and we share it with all candidates, and republicans and democrats, not just republicans. and of course, mr. chandler from kentucky was elected, ben chandler, taking the pledge. he broke the pledge and he was defeated in the last election. people were unhappy that he pretended to be a conservative democrat, and he lost his election. nelson, another democrat, a senator from nebraska, also got elect
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what would you like to see the government of israel as far as syria is concerned? because it's intense what's going on right now. about 40,000 people have been killed over the past year and a half. >> it's horrible. it's a terrible tragedy. we, the people of israel, look at the people of syria with great respect, even awe standing up and risking and even giving their lives for freedom from the terrible bashar al assad regime. we want them to go. we've long wanted him to depart. he is an ally of iran. he has not only killed 40,000 of his own people, he's tried to make a secret nuclear military program, he's helped in providing tens and tens of thousands of missiles to terrorists in lebanon and gaza. he is a loose cannon. we want him gone. we want to see a democratic and peaceful in syria. >> what about the u.s. army corps of engineers is about to build a top secret underground facility at an israeli air base outside of tel aviv. >> know nothing about it whatsoever. >> you don't know nothing or don't want to say anything. >> i saw the story, don't know anything about
what would you like to see the government of israel as far as syria is concerned? because it's intense what's going on right now. about 40,000 people have been killed over the past year and a half. >> it's horrible. it's a terrible tragedy. we, the people of israel, look at the people of syria with great respect, even awe standing up and risking and even giving their lives for freedom from the terrible bashar al assad regime. we want them to go. we've long wanted him to depart. he is an...